Angry Reactions

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So you got a review on the Bad Webcomics Wiki... What to do now? Should you take the criticism to heart and try sucking less? Should you maybe delete your horrible mutation off the face of the internet so that it can't hurt anybody anymore? Maybe just cry and kill yourself. Those are all valid choices of things to do when you find a review of your comic on this site. But why do any of that when you can bitch and whine about it?

Over time we have received a number poorly worded retorts from webcomic artists who were displeased with their reviews. These range from long, dramatic walls of text telling us we don't know what we are talking about and that there is nothing wrong with writing a comic about the beautiful love that can be had between a man and his rape victim, to short, sarcastic comments written on tear-soaked keyboards about how little the artist care about our review and the quality of their own comic. Attempts to vandalize, delete or re-edit reviews more favorably behind our back have been made. As well as angry response comics, attempts to hack, redirection of links from our site and attempts to mobilize the comic's fanbase into a personal army attack on us that have all but failed. We even got one death threat! A tactic that has never so far been attempted is simply asking us to delete the review and explaining why you don't think you deserve it. It has never been attempted probably because it would also fail.

Few of our reviews ever get deleted. Those that do are, more often then not, simply bad to begin with and have little to nothing to do with how their target feels about them. However, doing any of the things listed above will not hail any results besides us laughing at you even harder and getting you added to this little hall of shame.

And remember: Calling us trolls automatically invalidates any criticism of your comic and magically fixes all of its flaws (not that it has any).


Addanac City

Chicks be all up on Hank's grill, yo.

One day, a new member came to the BWW called hans17. In a fit of non-thinking, he wrote a shitty three-paragraph review of Addanac City. While he banged his head on the wall trying to figure what to do, help was called to fix this stain on the site. In the meantime, George Ford, creator of the comic, found out about it, and motivated by recent negative comments on his site and the BWW, decided the most civil thing would be to feign amusement at the situation:

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Hello, Haters! I’m so glad you could stop by. Besides creating this comic strip series and kicking it with the many ADDANAC CITY fans I encounter each day, you guys are my third favorite form of entertainment.

Yes, yes, I know what you say….ADDANAC CITY sucks. The art is infantile. The humor isn’t fit for a four-year old. “Why do you even bother to make this tripe?”

Firstly, because I enjoy it. Secondly, because people out there like it. And lastly (not to mention least of all), because it irritates the heck outta you!

So, Mr. Ford, one of the reasons you go on with this hit is because you just want to annoy us. Nice way of not giving us any importance.

I welcome your whining and petty, elementary-school name-calling. You guys make my day because this itty-bitty, inconsequential cartoon that I create evokes so much passion and emotion from you. You hate ADDANAC CITY soooo much, yet you return time and time again just to see how much you hate it this go-round. That’s fine with me, knock ya selves out. Spend your entire day telling your friends and neighbors that ADDANAC CITY sucks balls. In fact, form a club, coalition, or organization (I’ll even design your official logo). You can even call yourselves the Sentinels Against Addanac City Because It’s Truly Erroneous Rubbish (or SAAC BITERs for short)

Oh, my sides are aching... really, how long did it take to think this up? Way to counter those immature kids and their elementary-school name-calling. You sure showed them.

Regardless, I appreciate your constant viewership and, even though you may hate me, my art, my mom, and/or my dog, the name ADDANAC CITY is still on your lips. Taste it, savor it, and swallow, Dear Hater, cuz you’ll be back tomorrow.

Once again, feeling important. It takes a very deluded man to appreciate people just for visiting his site, not caring if they all hate it. Attention craving must make you think wrong.

And I’ll be waiting for you to entertain me further. :)

Same here, and I'm not talking about the comic.

‘Til then…


The Earth kept spinning, the wind kept blowing, the comic kept sucking, and the review kept developing. Nothing happened. However, energized by the strokes of approval of his fanbase, Ford kept shouting rubbish about his supposed posse of haters. He even made a comic mocking his invisible, obsessive enemies.


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Sorry Ford, we don't have such fragile feelings. He didn't stop there, though. As a final hit of idiocy, the comic came with this lulzworthy comment, where he finally questions the motives of his imaginary hater squad, and even pulls a JDR.

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Every now and then, I get a visit from someone who cannot stand ADDANAC CITY. They think that Hank and his counterparts are immature, crudely drawn, and not funny in the least.

Some of these kids have even ganged up with their “clique” to post AC up on their whiny Bad Webcomics site. Hee-hee…. I love to watch children play. They fetch fans so well. Thanks for the free promotion, tykes. :)

While I have nothing against folks who wish to speak their minds, what gets me is when these same people continue to return day after day to prattle on about how much they hate this site.

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I’m not saying that you have to come here and stroke my ego and tell me how great and fantastic you consider AC to be, but it really doesn’t make much sense to arrive just to flame, insult, or otherwise b!t&h and moan about the comic. Especially since this is a FREE webcomic and it costs you nothing to stop by here. It will cost you just as much to leave it, too.

DAMN YOU GUYZ, WHY DO YOU DIS MY COMIC IF ITS FREE? FREE MEANS NO STANDARDS! Notice the nod to the BWW. Again, we are just a bunch of kids who piss on things for fun, yet we secretly love his webcomic in secret. This guy will make himself believe anything other than the fact that his comic is shit and needs improving. Also, he seems to be of the belief that bad publicity is still good publicity. Sure, a stream of people who come to laugh and criticize your stuff and then leave forever is all kinds of good business, Ford. Quick, get below your rainbow blanket before you catch a cold!

I consider coming here to AC just to rant and rave and basically attempt to demean what the rest of us are enjoying akin to me walking into your home and spitting on your floor. It’s insulting and truly in bad taste. If I don’t like the way you host things in your crib, I should have enough sense and diplomacy to merely excuse myself and go elsewhere. It’s that simple.

Criticizing things is like spitting in somebody else's house? Wow, so that's how things work! I guess that explains why there's no criticism in the real world, and critics are just assholes with no sense of respect. This guy must hate Simon Cowell and Roger Ebert.

Jesus, Ford, do you really think you're doing a good job with this comic? Honestly, this is untouchable to you? Well, I guess that settles it. If you can't see the immeasurable genius that Ford is, you should just leave. Obviously, us and him live in separate worlds.

But, I guess this being the internet, a hater feels confident about barging in where they’re not wanted, welcome, or comfortable. I don’t imagine they would, in real life, pony up to the “cool” table in high school and start talking trash. It would be a whole different ball game then, wouldn’t it? :D

Obviously, on the Internet, people who dislike things are not welcome. The sign said so on the way in. What an immature child.


Against this, there were two different attitudes in the BWW. One was to shrug it off and move along. The other was to freak out and make the two shittiest comics ever on DrunkDuck. Hans17 did two terrible parodies of Addanac City and the Jonas Brothers (we assume he hated them too), and he even tried to make us review them officially on the wiki. He was banned with no remorse.

The Antillian Chronicles

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So someone informed us that Nicholas has written a response to his review a while ago. Which is strange because I periodically look for them on Google and have never seen his. Which makes him implying our site is too obscure for him to notice all the more funny.

In his reply he tries to save face by painting the person who reviewed him as an insane stalker, threatening him and then stalking him back.

I'll just let you guys read it for yourself.


Read and enjoy

I apparently have a hate shrine

One review is a shrine.

Which is kind of pathetic considering I am the first person to discover it, I think.

Well, we are the first ones to notice your comic so I guess that makes us equal... Wait, no, you also contradict yourself about this later.

it is at least nominally about my first (and admittedly bad) webcomic attempt "The Antillian Chronicles" but let's face it, it is really about me and what an god-awful piece of human refuse I am.

At least you admit it.

And it has been following me for a while, apparently. Even though the article is about 52 days old. I should be more creeped out about this (and I am pretty creeped out.) but I think it's funny that this article consists of months of determined stalking

HAHAHAHA Oh my god, I have never seen a more arrogant person in my life. Apparently a few minutes of reading stuff on Google is "Months of determined stalking" and one article is a shrine.

and I only barely know that this Murphace exists ("Hi Murphace, I know you are reading this :wave:").

He wasn't. I don't think he ever came back and he never let us know about your journal. Meaning your "Obsessed Stalker" forgot all about you literally the moment he posted that review.

So anyway, fun time whilst me and my friends work out who this Murphace person is. I doubt it will be hard to do.

"Friends" hahaha... It seems we are dealing with a badass Internet detective from Anonymous and his crew... You really got us scared.

PS I discovered it because it is one of the leading traffic sites to my blog. Since this all seems to be the work of one person that means that they are probably the source of all that traffic.

And this is where I said he contradicts himself. On one hand he says the review is so meaningless that he is the first person to find out about it, but on the other hand, he admits that it is one of the biggest sources of hits, not only for his comic itself, but for the obscure blog linked on his article that no one has a reason to even click.

EDIT: EPIC FUN UNVEILING TIME YAY!!!!
So, I started with the avatar of the wikia account profile which by reverse image search leads to the youtube page which leads by description to ~Mista-Heesh You have been unmasked.

Nice revenge! His article exposes you as a mentally ill moron and you get him back by... proving he is a much better artist than you? Good job.


FYI: I am typing this as I hide in the bushes and watch Nicholas with my binoculars.


UPDATE

I have recently acquired the password to our old email address that remained unchanged for months before we realized we lost the password. There I found a second Email by this guy accusing us of stalking him.


Read and enjoy


This article is about me and if it was only a mockery of my first, admittedly bad attempt at a webcomic, I would be fine with it. But instead it's a kind of creepy shrine dedicated to my general all around loathsomeness as a person.

Again, a single article is hardly a shrine, and as far as the attacks on your personality are concerned, you really proved them wrong when you responded to the review by trying to find and post the personal information of the person who wrote it (and failing).

Good job.

For one thing it has generously more text and energy devoted to describing how horrible I am than it does to the webcomic attempt itself.

Because your comic is short but the flaws in your character are abundant.

And while I get that this wiki is dedicated to mockery (and I'm okay with that) it's not dedicated to borderline stalking and that is what this appears to be. Can you please fix it for me?

No, I will not fix it for you. How about you try to make me by stalking me back too?


So now that I have refused his request I will forever live in fear of the day he gets revenge on me by posting the url of my DeviantArt account on his journal.

Bittersweet Candy Bowl

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A few days after a thread was posted (here is the thread in question, if you want to read more) about the comic, the artist's husband showed up on the forum. He argued with everyone, got called out on not revealing straight away who he was, offhandedly insulted a few other webcomic artists, complained about how everyone on Something Awful hates him and his wife, and left.

About a year after this charming display, a review was posted. This time he was back eight hours after it was up with a counter review. This time, he disclosed who he was upfront (too little, too late) and went on to tell us how the review was shallow and insufficient, and giving us a list of flaws in his own comic to comment on, my favorite of which being:

jokes about the idiots in the comment section who crave the worst of the story and want to fuck Lucy.


That is him talking about his fans...

Finally, the review was completely rewritten. The comic's actual creator now refuses to comment on it, so she must be very grateful to her husband for all his help.

Oliver's encore before leaving was commenting on one thread to insult The Oatmeal and tell us that we should write a review. And on another thread to call the creator of the webcomic "Love Me Nice" a bitch (they had a personal dispute years ago).

He still continues to claim that their lack of friends in the webcomic community has nothing to do with his people skills.

Black Jade

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"Midgear" found his review and did not like it one bit.


Inside: Things no one cares about.



So my comic Black jade just made the bad web comics wiki one would think I would be annoyed or pissed, but I just find it funny. I respect reviewers, they make people who create things strive to become better,

Seems like a pretty mature response, right? Well, keep reading.

but come on this is nothing but someone screaming at the computer.

Yes, that is exactly the reaction someone has when seeing your comic.

I will say I did take some things away from the review I'll get a proof reader again (I do need one) and I need to fix this panel (I screwed up on the thumbs) so thank you angry reviewer man or woman

"Man or woman, or some combination of both if you are a character from my comic or from porno I jack off to".

for helping me make my comic better,

He really did make it better by deleting it.

but maybe you could drop me an email with mistakes, I will fix em' if I can,

From: BadWebcomicsWiki@hotmail.com
To: IlikeToWearPrettyDresses@Gmail.com

List of mistakes:
Everything.

I mean we all screw up sometimes

You screw up all the time.

and need some help seeing stuff we didn't see at the time. Anyhow thought I might as well show you all this because I find it funny. hope you are all enjoying the last day of saturnalia.

Yeah, you obviously found it so hilarious that you quit.


The comic didn't last long after that. The author stopped updating for a while, then left a note on the front page telling everyone who is complaining that he never updates to fuck off, then didn't update for a while longer and finally just deleted the whole thing.

Boss Noodle/Chugworth Academy/Chugworth!/U.S. Angel Corps

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Reaction to reading USAC

The creator of U.S Angel Corps, Dave Cheung, has a history of poorly handling criticism. In the past, he had tried to vandalize the John Solomon article on Encyclopedia Dramatica where he is mentioned after he had made claims to not caring about being reviewed on his blog. Later he snapped at the owner of the Webcomic Overlook for saying he deserved that review and, finally, the article about U.S Angel Corps on TV Tropes was deleted and it is safe to assume it was due to complaints made by him.

With our site he had a real drama. Back when we were on Wikidot and soon after a review of USAC was added to the index, suddenly all reviews of Dave's comics were removed for ToS violations. Since Dave has a track record of doing this sort of thing, and since we can't think of anyone else who would have any motivation to defend Dave Cheung's reputation besides Dave Cheung himself, we believe Dave was the only person smart enough to complain to the actual administration of Wikidot instead of doing what most people did, which was sending abuse reports directly on the wiki which our admins would read, laugh at, and ignore.

To remedy this, after BWW was shut down on Wikidot and before moving to this new host, we contacted the owner of ShoutWiki to make sure these kinds of problems would not repeat themselves. As a special precaution, admin oddguy contacted them again prior to restoring these reviews to inform them that Dave will inevitably contact them to make fictitious threats of litigation and was assured that it should not be a problem.

So for now the reviews will stay where they are and we eagerly await Dave's return. In case the reviews ever do get deleted again, there are multiple copies of every single one readily available in the links at the bottom of his Encyclopedia Dramatica article.

Bridgette's Belly

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Recently we had rewritten the review of this comic that was lost that one time the site got fucked up. But after it was written it became apparent that the new review did not match the old one. A quick search uncovered that most of the comic's archives have been deleted. But it also turned up... this thing...

It seems Mr. Fraser was displeased with the original review (probably part of the reason he deleted the evidence) and sent the author an email to refute it tell her off cry and beg us to pity him.

(Spelling and grammatical errors highlighted by me)

Get ready for a sob story


I was going to open with a link to the Portal of Evil's review of Bridgette, but they seem to be down.

shame to, I really enjoyed being called a racist. Where they got that Idea I have no clue.

you'll excuse my spelling errors, my hands are shaking…

No, I will not excuse your spelling errors. Stop being a bitch and get a hold of yourself.

I got a lovely e-mail a few days ago, expounding on the the use of "There". There, Their, and They're it was titled.

It was titled what? Learn to punctuate.

It concluded with the author claiming that, "reading you writing makes me want to hang myself with my english degree."
  • Your*

English isn't even my first language and I still share the sentiment.

I e-mailed back offering rope and a chair, but sadly I received no reply.

"Not that I could afford it anyway".

I'm no stranger to critisism,
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far from it. My greatest contribution to this world has been as an object of critique.

The word you are looking for is "Ridicule".

water off a ducks back. (Yes I misspelled "Critisism". so whats new)

Why didn't you correct it before sending the email instead of pointing it out?

You also forgot the apostrophe in "What's".

Yes, Bridgette started out as a fan service,

"But since I don't have any fans I now only use it to service myself".

YES, I write about teenagers and motherhood, yet I'm a 35 yr old man.

(A little out of touch y'think? or [ insert creepy guy joke here ] )

I don't mind a figg when people find flaws with my work. great, whoopee, so do I.


A. What the hell is a "figg"?
B. If you find flaws in your work, why don't you ever fix them?
C. Yes, you are creepy. But that is not the reason why.
D. "yr"? Couldn't you type the entire word? Are two more clicks on a keyboard really that hard for you?

I've been bustin' my ass for seven years now trying to fix what I know is wrong with the story.

I just spent last year (and a good amount of money) To promote and increase traffic and book sales from the site. Do you know what it costs to do a convention? S.P.A.C.E. cost me $500 for a two day show and I only made $25. Don't even ask about Mid-Ohio-Con. Some half naked zombie sat on my table and got fake blood on half my stock. Nothing you have said so far is anything I haven't said myself. What bothers me is it's new, and gives me the impression that a years worth of time and money was misspent.

I don't know about you, but I'm not some kid with loads of spare time and mommy and daddies money.

Oh god... I honestly don't even know where to begin with this. Do you hear this guy whining?

Let's set aside the poor grammar for a moment. No one cares about some zombie chick who sat on your desk. No one cares how much you spent or how much you made. No one cares about you trying to improve your comic because you have not made one iota of actual change to it. Most of us are not children, yet we are obviously still more mature than you are.

I've blewn a good amount of time crafting this from seething hatred to pleading for mercy.
  • Blown*
My better judgement says I should just delete this and let it go.
  • Judgment*

Delete what? The comic or the email? Either one would have been good.

If you are mere child, no doubt you'll use this to scorn and mock me again. whatever knocks yer sock off.

Well, call me Junior McBare-foot because that is exactly what I am doing.

If not. Then note that I just squandered my time with you. Time better spent on more important things like laundry, making dinner and playing candy land with my son. oh and fixing the problems you see in my work.

We are so honored that you have generously graced us with your presence, and set aside time from your busy day of neglecting your child for the sake of drawing more ugly porn you can then try to sell online, so that you can write us an angry letter in which you beg for our mercy and then call us children and tell us we are not worth your time.

You have got to be the stupidest person that has ever contacted us.

Those who read a critics reviews already have an opinion about the subject. They only care if it reinforces what they think. In short, a critic panders to the arrogance of others in order to bolster there own self worth.
  • Critic's*
  • "Review"* should probably not be plural in this case.
  • Their*

Also, do you mean pander like you pander to your readers with fat, furry porn?

And arrogance, as we should know, is a symptom of self doubt and insecurity.

Said the man who moments ago called us children and told us he is squandering his time on us. You should pick up a dictionary and look up "Irony", "Hypocrisy" and "Bestiality" while you are at it.

Also, did you mean to say "you should know", or were you using the royal we? I hope it's the latter because some introspection wouldn't hurt you.

If you also are trying your hand at webcomics. I'd like to see your work. A.Fraser

You would like to see our work? Okay!

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Obviously this is far superior to your own comic.


Then he wiped his tears away, pointed his nose skywards and went back to butchering the English language using furry porn while his child starves in the next room.

UPDATE:

On a lark, I went to Andrew Fraser's DeviantART page and commented to him that for the last page of Bridgette's Belly, he should have Bridgette eat a wafer-thin mint a la Mr. Creosote in the Monty Python movie The Meaning Of Life. His response was to hide my comment and block me. Long Tom.

ADDITIONAL ADDITION:

Don't worry, Tom. I'll do it for you. SpazzticBunnyhood.

Well, Mr. Fraser, here's our webcomic, so I hope you're pleased!

The Chronicles of Loth

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On a thread discussing us being bullies, the author of this comic offered his humble opinion:

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My comic has been "reviewed" on the BWCW. And being reviewed is no big deal, I just found it hard to take some of his critique seriously since he just basically said it's furry and anime and therefor terrible.

It is furry, and it is anime, and it is therefore terrible.

Whatever, don't read my comic if you don't like it.

"If you don't like the sound of me beating my wife, just turn up the music and close a window".

The part that I would consider bullying was the person who wrote the review would send me emails and PM's every day to remind me that he hated my comic, art, story, webpage, face, ect. I still have all his "wonderful" messages he sent me on the off chance I'm going to have to get a restraining order on the asshole.


Regarding the second part of that comment: We do not support or condone this. That review was the only review this person has written and was he was probably an idiot driven by some personal grudge. Nonetheless, the comic is still bad so we are not going to remove it.

We ask that nobody goes trolling webcomic artists on our behalf.

Collar 6

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The Collar 6 article, despite being about a niche comic with a small audience, created a surprisingly large amount of crying. It began in this thread with non-BWW-members leaping to the comic's defense.

Is this all you folks do all day? Slashing other people to hell for their ambitions and endeavors?

I see all the things you tear apart but not once have you mentioned anything any of you have done. At least these artists are expressing themselves and doing something positive instead of sitting in front of a monitor, stuffing their face with bon bons and taking out their insignificance on creativity which is beyond their capabilities.

Try doing something constructive. Your criticisms here sound like something out of jealous lesbian immaturity and boredom from lack of ambition and attention from anything in real life.

You heard him folks, a seizure-inducingly colored mock-anime bondage webcomic is both ambitious and an endeavor, and everyone who thinks otherwise is jealous, immature, fat, apparently lesbian, and a failure at life.

The sobbing quickly spread over to the website of Collar 6 itself when, on September 22, 2009, one of the creators uploaded this blog post:


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I keep finding traffic coming from this location here:

http://badwebcomics.wikidot.com/forum/t-177989/collar-6

Which upon closer inspection is a group of people who make it their business to tell others why their work sucks. Included on this list are some of the more successful webcomics out there, such as Megatokyo and VGCats. That No Need For Bushido was included really baffled me, as that artist is just astounding. But I guess it’s forbidden for a westerner to take cues from the japanese and imitate their art form. After all, the japanese never did that with Disney, right?

This first paragraph is just astounding. Not only does he basically say Megatokyo and VGCats can't possibly be terrible because they have fans, but he also thinks that the problem with shittily ripping off anime style has something to do with him not being Asian.

I avoided my initial instinct to join the forum and attempt to respond to every comment leveled at me. But I refrained from that because I have a history of behaving with all the grace of a five year old throwing a temper tantrum. No good would come from marching in there guns blazing just because someone doesn’t like what I’m doing. So I digress.

"SO I JUST DECIDED TO POST ON HERE INSTEAD, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL BE KIND TO MEE :'C"

I’m going to find these kind of little corners of the internet everywhere. I’m aware of the fact that I picked a subject matter that only appeals to a niche. I’m aware of the fact that my art is crude at best. The story? Oh yeah, there’s plenty to improve there. I’m not a gifted writer, and average cartoonist (or animu artist as is the popular term for me). There’s some valid points among all the criticism here, and I’m not blind to my own flaws. I’m in my first year at this, and hopeful that with time, both my style and my story will improve. Even Penny Arcade was rather crude at first (although I must admit, it was still well-written early on and remains so).

It's promising that the guy is open to criticism, or at least doesn't have a webcomic superego.

However, back to the link at hand, too much of this comes across as the idle anger of a young generation that has made it a sort of mission to ‘fix’ what they feel is broken. The tools seem to include college-level mockery, and insistence on personal validity, and basically just mean-spirited ribbing. To this lot, and to the others like it, I can only ask: Why are you so angry at a guy who is just drawing a comic obviously revolving around a limited subject matter you aren’t interested in? I’m not forcing anyone to read this, least of all you who think it’s not worth your time. So why not just close the page? Are you that irritated that others might enjoy something you consider low-caliber? There is much worse, far more deserving garbage on the internet, or heck, even TV. Reality television, perhaps.

"GUYS STOP CRITICIZING ART THAT PEOPLE POST PUBLICLY ON THE INTERNET OKAY :C GET MAD AT THE TV INSTEAD"

I guess all I can say to close this up is that I enjoy doing this comic. It is hard work (despite some of the more pointed statements that I’m not trying), but so far, I do not regret it. And I intend to continue writing, drawing, and enjoying myself for as long as possible.


The post has since been deleted from the site, unfortunately before anyone thought to screencap it, but rest assured that every comment made on it by fans was a loving, gentle pat to the writer's bruised ego.

Later, the webcomic site would have the following disclaimer posted:

DISCLAIMER for the insanely stupid: This is a BDSM comic based in a FANTASY setting. None of the actions portrayed in this comic are meant for instructional purposes in BDSM. It is STRONGLY suggested you do factual research in the BDSM lifestyle before engaging in BDSM activities.

Whether this came about because of the article here on the BWW or not is anyone's guess.

Concession (And also Ballerina Mafia)

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There isn't much to say about us and this comic. His forum got super mad at us making that review and one particularly crazy fan got into a drawn out slap-fight with us that has been archived in "Concession fan reply" instead of this page. As for Immelmann himself, a long time after someone made another thread about this review where commented:

This is old news. The forum and I have a history with the BWW, and by now they're not really worth any of your time or energy.

Immy doesn't love us anymore.
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Darkwing Beyond

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This was originally in our irregular section because we thought the actual response was lost. Recently we found it and boy is it good.

The creator of this comic actually wrote a review of our review!

It's too long to respond to but I've added a screencap of it.


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To give him some credit, he didn't take it as bad as some and acknowledged some of his own flaws. But it's still a really dumb way to respond.


Exiern (and also Blade Bunny)

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This reaction is going to be presented a little differently than most. Instead of going through what this person said line by line and mocking it, this one will just be an exchange of our correspondence. Also, I wouldn't exactly categorize this response as angry, but it sure as hell not good enough the excuse the horrible webcomic that is was made for.

So, about two months ago I checked our old forum looking for something and noticed someone made a new post (something that happens from time to time with people who don't realized we've moved). I checked the post and saw that it was Drowemos who left the following note:

A number of things in this article are inaccurate. I just wondered if you'd be interested in my clarifying a few things or not? I don't want to intrude or criticize, just there are some things the author could not have know that led him to incorrect assumptions. It's been a while since I worked on Exiern now and I have the distance and freedom to talk about things I could not say at the time.


Expecting something else (the response I got was ultimately disappointing) I tracked him down and sent him an email which I have mistakenly deleted in which I ask him to explain. To it, this was his response:


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Hi Oddguy. Thanks for writing back. Like I said I didn't want to crash the party. Often the review is supposed to be its own entertainment, I can see how others can get some fun out of this review. Granted I can't because, you know, its about me. But I can see how others can. Besides nitpicking a nitpick can be somewhat circular.

Still you asked so let me correct two things here.

First of all the line: "Drowemoss wants nothing more than your money with his cliché story," is just completely wrong. I never made money off of Exiern. It was a loss ever year. The memberships, donation and so on were just an attempt to stop the bleeding. It is true the first time I offered a nude pic I made $1800 in a week but that was a strange one time occurrence. In general the comic only made about $1000 which sounds like a lot of money until you realize that a good artist even an over seas one costs $100 and you need to have 3 pages a week plus at least 2 bonus pages per month to keep people happy and coming back to the comic. That's 10 pages a month at $100. When you factor in fees, hosting costs and other expenditures I lost about 200 bucks a month on the comic.

A better business man could have made money off the comic and in fact some have taken this model and ran with it to great success. But I was a crappy business man and frankly not really that interested in making money in the first place. I just wanted to be able to write something without going bankrupt.

I have talked in other places about my dyslexia and the fear of writing beaten into me by various English teachers in my life. It has also been mentioned that I am a piss poor artist and that after 2 years of effort and practice I generated no visible improvement in my art skills. Exiern was a way to tell stories, something I discovered I loved, while not having the request skills to otherwise tell one. I am sort of like the obese man who takes a gondola up the alps. I lack the ability to hike the mountains on my own but I love the mountains just the same. Perhaps more so than others since it's a view I never thought I would get to see.

Alright now the second thing: Denver

I hate Denver. I hated him from the start. I wrote him to be an over the top nerd who was too self important and always pushing himself into places he doesn't belong. Yes, he kissed Tiffany (the tg barbarian of the story) but that was a borrowed joke from a different story that got cut out in the redrawing process. Denver was never supposed to be a serious love interest or a serious anything.

Originally, the plot for Denver was he was to go into the woods with Tiffany. Tiffany would grow fond of him (originally in a more a older sibling/motherly way). Then when the it was discovered that he was a dragon (and originally some what going mad) Tiffany would kill him in cold blood because after all dragons are horrible creatures that murder people and abandon their children. It was supposed to be a reminder that the main character was, after all, a barbarian, as well as my own little criticism of the archetype that Denver represented.

Then the audience, the ones paying the bills, fell in love with him. I got the more positive feedback about Denver that I had about anything else in the comic (with the possible exception of just porn). In the face of all this adoration of a character I had planed to murder, I choked. I hastily rewrote the pages of the comic so that he wasn't killed. Although I did have to have him run off for no good reason because he was not in the next chapter of the comic.

I won't say that Denver is not a self-insertion character. But if he is, it a part of myself that I loath.

I suppose I am contradicting myself here by saying I altered my story in a way I didn't like because of fear of losing paying readers. It does sound like all I was interested in was money. In a way I was, but only in that money represented the ability to continue this storytelling endeavor. Keep in mind I was Exiern represents my first attempt creative writing. I was very unsure about what I was doing and I desperately wanted to keep the comic running.

In the end I realized catering to the audience in the terms of constantly inserting in porn and keeping around characters I disliked was holding me back. I may not be a good writer but if I ever hoped to achieve a status of adequate I would have to get rid of these bad habits. It took me a number of years to see that but when I did I sold the comic for a dollar and moved on.

Well that's my piece. I realize that I am beating a very very dead horse . But the inaccuracy in this review bothered me. Thanks for your time and for getting back to me.


I decided to write him back (my motivations for doing so are in the email) and said this:


Okay, here is the situation- Our site gets these kinds of replies all the time and, since I can't go around to every individual webcomic's forum and tell them to bite me without looking like an idiot, we just post all this stuff on its own page and type out a little response to it and leave it at that. However, since in this case we are actually talking to each other I want to use this opportunity to comment directly. And I want to tell you that what you are telling me is utterly unsatisfactory.

Basically what you're telling me is that you were making a shitty comic you didn't like to make money to pay an awful, overpriced artist so you could continue to make a shitty comic which went on for several YEARS. First of all, why didn't you stop? Why keep going for so long? And furthermore, if you realize the comic was bad, why the hell did you pass it on to someone else to perpetuate this atrocity? Secondly, what were you even expecting to make exactly? You say you had to shove all that porn in there against your will for the sake of making money, but it was a "ha ha look at the tits" sort of comic from day one. After all, it was a tg comic. Are there any of those that AREN'T just a set up for jokes about unintentional nudity and groping?

The point is: I am not convinced. If you have anything else to add feel free. After that i'll add a retraction to the review and edit some of it to reflect what you told me. But even so, none of this is in any way redeeming.


After waiting a couple of weeks I have yet to get a reply from him and doubt I ever will. Therefore, as promised, I am posting our exchange here without further insults to which he can't reply and leave you all to draw your own conclusions. If at any point I receive word from him again I will add it here as well.

UPDATE

A few moths after this, the new owner of the comic sent me this Email:


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Perhaps it's kinda sad that I didn't even REALIZE your exchange with my predecessor happened, especially since I do follow your blog quite often.

Anyway my name is Thomas Knapp (and I go by the handle of Chemiclord). I'm the sorry sot Drowemos handed the story to, and I figure I might as well dip my oar in, but it's actually to praise you and the work you do. Sure, the language you use is inflammatory, but ya know, if an artist or writer can't handle the heat, they shouldn't be in the kitchen. So I've got no quarrel with any of you or your fellow reviewers on that score.
I thought you'd like to know that I took over the writing duties because I felt, deep down underneath all the cheesecake and gags was an earnestly decent or even good story that could be told. I figured it was worth a shot. Whether I succeeded in doing so was a matter of opinion (some readers embraced the change in style and tone, some were alienated by it, some thought the exposition of Tiffany's past was powerful, some thought it crossed a moral event horizon that ruined the entire strip), but having concluded my storyline a couple months ago, I'm rather content with it.I actually took a lot of the critiques leveled by your wiki once I took over the writing duties, and tried to implement them as best I could. I would be curious as to how well you think I did to address those criticisms. Please feel free to contact me with any questions if you are inclined to do so.

Thank you.



GamerGate Life (And also Guild Adventure)

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Someone posted a link to our review on Kukuruyo's DA page (why do people keep doing that?) and his response was so stupid and poorly worded that I didn't even plan on including it here.

Yeah, a SJW tried to use them as his personal army, and one of them got offended enought by me saying that they are a hate page to actually fullfil the SJW wish and serve as his personal army xD. I care shit anyways. BWW is a hate page, they just make troll reviews spouting hate of every comic they find. And if it they weren't, GG life is nothing by any means serious.

As you can see, he flip-flops between claiming he trolled us, the SJWs trolled us and calling us trolls. So why am I adding this anyway if I said it isn't even worth adding? Because it later turned out that this wasn't the end of it. One of our Spanish speaking fans found a post on his Facebook, that we overlooked due to language barriers, which he kindly translated for us.


No one should care about anything the BWW reviews. They are literally a hate site, they do troll reviews in which they just throw nonsensical stuff in a flaming way of exaggerating dumb crap. They don't do reviews of bad webcomics, they do reviews of ALL THE WEBCOMICS on the internet and they paint them as horrible and they try to stop their artists from drawing even again. Fuck, I think their motto was something like "we review comics thought our hatred". Either way, "GamerGate Life" is not a serious comic so I couldn't care less.

So (obviously) Kukuruyo totally trolled us and is super not butthurt. He also thinks we reviewed all the comics on the internet and doesn't care about his own comic... but still sucks GG's dick for tshirt money.

Before I wasn't sure if this guy was a con artist or an idiot, but now I'm sure he's both.

God's Story

No, it isn't.

MoonLover left his fans a note regarding us in the comic's comments.


Butthurt imminent.


Hey guys Just thought I oughta let you guys all know, that God's Story has gained enough popularity to be featured on BWW (Bad Webcomic Wiki)

I don't think "Popularity" is the word you are looking for. Try "Contempt".

There has been floods of comments about how I take light of 'rape' and such back in Chapter 2

Flood of comments? Good work BWW.

and let me make something clear,

OMG... Here it comes... What will it be? A half hearted apology? A dubious disclaimer? A weak attempt to justify his actions?

I don't care what you think of my story, art, or how my characters are constructed.

NOOO!! HAHAHA! He doesn't care that he's a sick pervert!

I think that statement would be far more truthful if he just replaced the words "what you think of" with the word "About".

Words and a page directed at how 'awful' my comic is, isn't going to bring me down, specially when such people have nothing better to do than troll around.

First of all, it's "aren't going to bring me down", you illiterate fuck. Secondly, you can write us all off as trolls if it makes you feel better, but all it takes is a pair of eyes to see we are right about you and your comic.

So throw all the words you want. It's not going to stop me from finishing this comic. It's not going to ruin anything, so keep it up.

Which is why he has not updated for almost a year after he left that comment.

My comic keeps getting more hits that way :) ~Jason

More hits? Try any hits. We are the only reason anyone knows who you even are.


After making this brave stand against us, he abandoned his comic and started a new comic... his twenty third comic! Does this guy not have a job?

On a final note, I just want you to know that out of all of his twenty-three comics, "God's Story" is not even the worst. He has another one literally named "Mr. Pedo".

Hearts of wildfire

MMMMM... Poky. The life source of all weeaboo's and the fuel behind their karate.

Upon discovering the article for his webcomic, Charlie Alexander Luna gave this wonderful message to our friendly neighborhood reviewer, Norad Bush:


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I see you came to cross path with my webcomic… guess what?

I AM NEW YOU Stupid idiot!!

I never done stuff like that before… and I do it for fun. I get no profits whatsoever… also it shows that you Yourself can't draw… since otherwise you would realise how hard it is to draw when you never tried before…

"How dare you tell me my food tastes like shit! This is the first time I've ever cooked in my life, you don't get to judge me! Get out of my restaurant!"

also… either delete this… or I will… oh… also don't bother trying to ban me… I can make my way around bans… allways have… so shove up your spiteful shit and eat it

Uh oh, looks like we pissed of a super badass internet ninja here.

also… Applegeeks is awesome, you may not like it but there is no need to flame an awesome comic… better than the crap you can come up with…

OH YEAH… I WENT THERE!

and you know? is funny… because even if my art might be subpar… as well as my vocabulary… at least I got an excuse… english is not my mother language… nor my second… I know 5 languages… how does it feel? yeah…

Why are you... typing like... this... it looks like... you are really indecisive... or your keyboard... is broken...

Also, Applegeeks is still shit.

so either delete this entry… or I will be forced to do so on my accord… this is not a threat… nor a negotiation… put your crap somewhere else… people don't need people like you…


Not being satisfied with throwing moronic threats around like a thirteen-year-old listening to his first rap album, Urashima/Luna/whatever set up a troll account to a) threaten the article's other author, and b) circumvent his permaban imposed by the Las Tittas forum's admins who are still upset by his batshit insanity.


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YOURS IS COMING... I AM VERY VINDICTIVE... I NEVER LEAVE LOOSE KNOTS LYING AROUND... STOP MAKING FUN OF MY ANIMES...


Let's hope the little fella doesn't chase any of our reviewers down any dark alleyways with a plastic cosplay katana any time soon.

I. M. Hip

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After reading the review, Thomas Fay had this to say:

I.M. Hip got a bad review by the Bad Web comics Wiki. He has a lot of errors: Mr. Albany appeared earlier than November 5th, and breasts are not so important for me, because my drawing technique is freehand. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

After making this somewhat spiteful reply, he actually went on to try to improve the comic. He first fixed some of the errors that were sited in the article, then he asked his readers for advice, and finally he shut down the website and moved the comic to his DA gallery.

Jack (the other one)

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Soon after our own review, The Webcomic Overlook wrote one of their own. Catya did not like that one bit. And why would she? She got a well deserved 1/5 stars, and reacted in the same manner that all bad webcomic artists, and her in particular, are famous for. I.E: had a massive meltdown in the comment section, drew and angry response comic, wrote a disingenuous apology and removed the comic... but only after waiting a few months.

During the aforementioned meltdown, she was confronted with the other review of her comic and asked to comment. At that time we had a short, but meaningful exchange:

At the time I think I had only written ONE review.

So, as you can tell, anyone calling her comic bad, or telling her that she should improve, is nothing but a big, nasty troll.

On behalf of the BWW I would just like to say:

;_;


UPDATE:

Katya explained she was just angry because someone was harassing her online. Check the review's new bio section for further detail.

Least I Could Do (and also Looking For Group)

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On May 16, 2009, the entire review for 'Least I could do' was deleted and replaced by this message:

You should all be ashamed of yourselves, having nothing better to do than to attack people's intellectual property. Why don't you go to the mall and cry over Twilight or something?


Not only does it tell the writers of the BWW that we oughta be ashamed of ourselves for such awful behavior (honestly, what would our mothers say!), but it also implies that we are teenage girls who enjoy going to the mall and reading Twilight. All that's missing is a comment about us all living in their parents' basements and it would have won the grand prize!

Fortunately, BWW user Norad Bush had the good sense to keep a backup of the article and everything was restored without hassle.

Some time later he made a plotline in the comic called "Haters Gonna Hate" about people who make fun of him. In it, he makes a pathetic attempt to make people feel sorry for him by making the little girl in his comic cry because she read mean things about him on the internet. But since the little girl just looks like like the main character's head on top of a little girls body, this only reminds everyone the only person Shomer cares about is himself.

After some time looking, I was unable to find any significant criticism of this comic other than ours prior to him this series of strips, and since we knows he knows about our review and hates it, it's safe to say that comic was about us.

Lethal: Death Squad Rising

Joeby Gibson should really learn to take his own advice.

When writer Joeby Gibson discovered his comic was spotlighted on the BWW, he at first seemed to take it like a good sport.

Glad I could make it to the badwebcomics page and read your thoughts on Lethal. Very insightful and well thought out. I've taken the liberty and posted a link from my twitter account as any press is good press. Thanks again for critiquing with a somewhat open mind and being honest. Keep up the great work!


But when the members in the forums began to question Gibson's motives as being purely attention-seeking, the butthurt began. Twitter-style.


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So Joeby's Twitter feed was a hilarious cry fest last night, and it was full of bad arguments to support his comic. Let's take a look at a few of them.

How do YOU deal w/ "critics"? I just thanked a guy for a poor review & got called out as an attention seeking prick. Yup. Even though I thanked him for an honest review he called me out as an attention seeking prick. Nice, huh?

Okay, so Joeby obviously reads this page. First I didn't call him an attention-seeking prick but I stand by Lesbot's observation. Why would someone who isn't seeking attention post a link to a bad review, send the author of the review a message, and then start an all night group session about the review? It's a pretty fair assessment of what happened. All of these behaviors are a cry for attention, which is okay- he is a comic creator and most creators have pretty massive egos, but don't whine about someone noticing your actions. Also notice how he puts the word critic in quotation, he goes on to say:

How do YOU deal w/ "critics"? I just thanked a guy for a poor review & got called out as an attention seeking prick. remember those that can, do. Those that can't critique.

This is a common argument and a piss poor one at that. Interesting fact: NightGoat is not my real name, it's a shocker, I know. It's an anonymous handle. Yes, I could very easily be a 16 year-old kid with a lot of free time on my hands, but I could just as easily be a 37 year-old working comic book creator who is sick of seeing his lifelong love and lively-hood perverted by people with no respect for the craft. Joeby has no idea if I can, or ever have- made comics. Why use an anonymous handle? Well there are lots of possible reasons; I could be a coward, I could be one of Joeby's close personal friends that hates his work but doesn't want to start a personal fight, I could be working comic book creator who doesn't want to start personal feuds but does want to defend good comics by highlighting the bad ones. Because we don't know who I am, writing the review off as being done by a "critic" who can't create is a weak argument at best.

Also: if i made a movie and Rodger Ebert called my movie shit, I would take a serious look at where I fucked up. Critic doesn't mean uninformed.

(Edit: Joeby points out that if i am going to quote him I should make sure it isn't a statement made by someone else that he is agreeing with...strange I seem to recall him posting several times to twitter that I called him an attention-seeking prick, when I did no such thing: I was agreeing with someone who said it. Hypocrite much?)

That's true. They even misspelled my webcomic

I apologize for getting the title incorrect, however; nothing in the title is misspelled- I guess they don't teach the difference between spelling and diction at the University of Bozeman. (Edit, I did make a spelling mistake in the title. Fuck shit, the entire review is rendered worthless.)

lol. Even if I'm so angry at womens. Apparently Nightgoat didn't get the memo that Lethal is a bad 80's action film.

I guess I shouldn't expect Joeby to understand why this is a terrible argument. To be able to write a parody of something you have to first be able to write that which you are parodying and you have to be able to write parody, I am not convinced the Joeby can do either of those things. Furthermore this doesn't let you off the hook for not being able to write female characters, or for treating them as objects. Plenty of writers write misogynistic characters without themselves being misogynistic and without making the work as a whole being such. There is a difference between how the characters in the story treat female characters and how the author treats his female characters; Joeby treats all his female characters like objects. And finally to simply state that your subject matter is either "bad" or guilty of a certain flaw, and as such your writing shouldn't have to move beyond it is the worst possible writing sin. You breed in weakness. Joeby isn't the only writer guilty of this, there are lots of them. If you start out saying that this comic is a "bad 80's action film," you will never -as a writer- move beyond it. How does an author expect us to call something good, that they themselves term as bad?

TIP: You create content for your fans. If someone doesn't like your comic, then why are they reading it?

Cop out alert. We are reading it because it was put on the goddamned internet. It's out there, in the public now, and no where does it state that we have to be fans to read it. Also how is that a fucking Tip? It should read: "WHINE: You create content for your fans. If someone doesn't like your comic, then why are they reading it?"

TIP: (cont) If readers don't like a certain story arcs, find out why. Why are they hung up on certain things

This is more of a tip, and here is a tip in return: They are hung up on them because they are poorly executed.

I live and die by the fact that if Gigli, The Spirit or any direct to DVD horror movies can be made, then there is a market for anything.

SOME ONE ELSE MADE SOME SHIT SO I CAN MAKE SOME SHIT TOO. You should live and die by the quality of your work, not the fact that some people will pay money for shit.

but personal attacks? Is Lethal the greatest comic ever made. Hell no! But did I get off my ass and write/ produce it. Yes

Here he is absolutely correct. The insults in my review weaken the argument. I definitely learned that lesson. Lethal is a terrible comic on so many different technical levels. However, when my review goes into the attacks on Joeby's intelligence, accuses him of masturbating, etc- it loses focus on just how bad the comic is in its craft and the focus starts to shift toward my anger at it. The comic is very bad, but Gibson himself probably isn't. He is no Ryan Sohmer or Keith Buckley, he just doesn't have the skills to do what he wants. In future reviews I will be sticking to a technical discussion of the work much more, and attempting to leave a lot of the insults out of it. I can't promise that I won't ever insult the creators, but I will focus more on why their work is bad, not why they personally are bad.


Overall, Gibson did nothing but show all members of the BWW what a bitching, moaning crybaby he is. The lesson learned? The best way to respond to criticism: don't.

Lovefeast

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The creator of "Lovefeast" opened this thread on the "Top Webcomic List" forums to complain about being reviewed.


Here is what she had to say:


Bad Webcomic Wiki?

Anyone here ever heard of it? I just found out about it today. Lovefeast made it on there.

Too bad any decent points it makes are somewhat invalidated by the writing (good thing you don't actually need to be a good writer to post on Wikidot)

You don't have to be one to make a webcomic either... Case and point.

and the pillow-fort nature of the website. I'm also sure the people involved in the creation of my special article are the same people who commented here, or at least are related, and they didn't really say anything new/better this time.

Yes, there couldn't possibly be more than one person who thinks your shit comic is shit. It's simply impossible.

I only regret that Millennium is apparently not bad enough to warrant its own article.

Hahaha... Do you really think that? I read it. It is.

Also that they can't seem to spell my surname correctly, despite it being at the very bottom of every website I own and design. If that was purposeful, it's not funny. That actually annoys me more than anything else.

I don't know if Norad did this intentionally, but lol...

The website is entirely pointless. I think sites like those were brought up in another thread about webcomic reviews here. No one cares about bad reviews except people who let their opinions be shaped by them.

... What? What the fuck does that even mean you moron?

If they wanted to give the author personal feedback on why they think the webcomic is bad, they could use email. Otherwise, what's the point?

This point is that you are too stupid to take any of our advice and improve. That's why it's better to post this publicly so everyone can just laugh at you, instead of in a privet email, so you can pretend it never happened.

At least there are other sites that do this and then are actually funny. I think I just broke some kind of rule about not bringing more attention to things like this, but it's killing my referring hits today so why not.

You're right. Why not? Why not bring more attention to the fact you suck and that people have been flocking over to your site just to see how much. Perfect reasoning.


From then on the thread devolved into a massive circlejerk, where they continued to tell one another that we are all trolls, who only write reviews because we are jealous that our own comics about gay girly-boys with horribly misshapen bodies are not as good as their's. And we were also hilariously white knighted by Ace Plughead and William Greggory, in a display I have no other way to describe but "cute". Although, I am not sure if at the time Greggory was already featured on this site.

The comic itself, which at the time of the review only contained 24 pages, only reached 46 before stopping it's updates indefinitely in 2010. We can't know for sure if this did or did not have anything to do with our review helping the creator to realize this comic is not worth continuing, but we can only hope.

One way or another: Good riddance.


Lucky Dawg

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The review was crap and was deleted but the response is still hilarious

Rooting around google we found a really old post on some comic we never heard of about a review we didn't know existed. The creator first pointed out he noticed there was an empty review page about his comic, and when that caused whoever wrote it to try and continue it he wrote a review of the review on his blog. Finally, whoever wrote the original thing just deleted it and was never heard from again and the blog posted a final victory note.

Two years later we found the blog buried somewhere deep within a google search and it mentions getting a massive spike in traffic from that one line review. So to call this comic unimportant would be an understatement. In truth, the review itself was pretty crappy. We have no idea who wrote that article or why. The person who did it did not post on the forum to ask anyone if he should write a review of the comic and quit soon after changing his mind. However, the comic is, in fact, bad.

Original Life (and also Better Days)

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What's worse than an author who can't take criticism? When the author's fans lick his boots. Several months after our review of Original Life was posted, Naylor posted an entry on his Livejournal account called "The Kind of Fan Mail I Love". He posted what is apparently a reproduction of a fan letter slamming us.

For the most part we don't concern ourselves with fan reactions. In part because almost every review we write brings about a river of tears on the comics respective forum, and in part because it's simply beneath us. But, seeing as how Naylor himself reposted this thing, it makes it a special case.

The entry reads as follows:


Get some coffee. This is long, boring, and poorly written.


Hi, my name is (name withheld). I was reading Bad Webcomics Wiki, which is

generally entertaining in pointing out blatant flaws in comics, when I happened upon the review of your comic, Original Life. I read the entire reviews, as well as your entire comic, and I must say that I DO NOT understand what they are complaining about!

Their criticism amounts to "asdf they don't have the same views as me!!!! no fair!!!!" and insults about art style from your very early

comics, which I must say has improved greatly since the first comic.

What? No it hasn't. Seriously, click the "go to start" button, then the "most recent" button. It's exactly the same.

In the later half of the article, the criticism devolves completely into personal attacks and accusations of pedophilia (wat?).

That's not true. We also called him a racist and a misogynist.

I usually enjoy Bad Webcomics Wiki, but I must say that the article on

your comic was entirely uncalled for. I am just writing to let you

know that not everyone will mindlessly hate any comic posted on that site,

You're right. Only people with good taste.

and that your comic has gained a new reader, regardless of controversy.

"Gained a new reader", didn't you read it before you wrote that letter? Or are you trying to say that you are now going to start reading it on a regular basis to get us back for writing a bad review? In which case I must say: WOW! you really taught us a lesson!

P.S. In case this surprises you, I am not a very political person,

If you were, you wouldn't like this comic.

and I do not consider myself a furry. I just enjoy the comic, even though the wiki article implies your only fans are pedophile animal rapists with a penchant for Ayn Rand.

We did not imply that. We implied that Naylor is a pedophilic animal rapist with a penchant for Ayn Rand.

Some people will get worked up about anything.

Yes, some people will brake off relationships with their friends for making anti-American comments, fly off the handle at their girlfriends, and delete negative commentary about their comics from their website. I wonder who those some people are.

<3 (name withheld)

<3 The Bad Webcomic Wiki.

After saying thank you and stating essentially what I said at the top of this journal post, they added in a following email:

My realization about the review of your comic on Bad Webcomics Wiki

has actually caused me to look back at the other reviews there more objectively. I am beginning to see that many (but not all!) of the comics on that wiki were being unfairly criticized in a similar manner

to yours,

You mean being called bad for being bad? Yes, that is very unfair of us.

which really sucks, turning away many prospective readers without even giving them a chance to read for themselves.

I wouldn't say "giving them a chance". "Putting them in danger", maybe?

So, thanks for having a comic that stood up so well against it's critics as to help me realize this! :D

Deleting critique when you can, pretending it doesn't exist when you can't, and earning a reputation as an insufferable prick and possible racist as a result is "standing up to critics".


By the way, we're not withholding the name on the letter. Naylor is.

Let's ignore the fact that this letter doesn't go into enough detail to explain why the review is unjustified and move on to the really big problem: there's no undeniable proof that this is a genuine fan letter. For all we know, this could be a fabrication written by Naylor to spite us. Maybe it is real, but faking it just seems like the kind of thing he would do.

I particularly like the line, "turning away many prospective readers without even giving them a chance to read for themselves," as if to suggest that we don't provide links to the comics we review, or that we actively prevent people from reading them somehow.

Pages of Life

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About five fucking years after the review was posted, Luke Page decided to respond to it after spending all that time simmering in rage. In his response he explains that he knew our old reviewer Lesbot and melodramatically tells the tale of how she forever ruined his love of art by being pure evil. What he says is so stupid I didn't feel the need to add commentary.

Name withheld and hilarious insults/pathetic whining highlighted by me.


How a webcomic review ruined a man's life


Venting about Stupid Pointlessness

It's been a long time.

I haven't put pencil to paper. I haven't even attempted to put any heart into anything that I do attempt to produce. If I am brutally honest, I'm not good enough to do so. It's been rubbed into my face many times, the opinions of hateful people who have nothing else better to do, and I've done my best to turn the other cheek and get on with my life. Some people aren't worth the anguish, y'know?

But there's one person who managed to sink their disgusting teeth into me. One person who I can't seem to avoid, forget, nor forgive. Every time I have some kind of memory, or completely random online encounter with her work, I fall into this trap of pure hatred for both of us; how someone could be so heartless, so bigoted, and allow themselves to become this huge ugly hypocrite, and how I despise myself for continuing to let something that happened almost 5 years ago haunt me to this day, and no doubt for the rest of my life.

I'm talking about [Name withheld].

They say, in anything regarding creative works, be it design or art, the best thing to do is to "Fail Faster". If you have an idea, go with it. If it's not good enough, then you learn from it. That's how you get better. When I started my journal comic, it was a fun little time passer where I got to draw stuff about whatever I liked, be it well done or poorly rushed. I enjoyed it. I met [Name withheld] while studying at University, and by "met" I mean she yelled something like "OMG YOU'RE ON DEVIANTART?" while I was checking my messages here during a quiet moment in a lesson. I later found her gallery and became enamored by her work. And, after an awkward start, we had this sort of acquaintanceship going. I eventually fell into the same friend group as her, some of which are still in contact with me to this day. [Name withheld], if I am honest, was very difficult to talk to. She was a very negative person, always had some snarky comment to make, but in my naïvety, I ignored them and simply saw them as her quirks. I was just that impressed and in awe of the idea of "Wandamagick", this online persona of a fun-loving cutesy girl, that I couldn't see just how much of a sad, hateful person that she was.

I did eventually show her my comic, and at first, her criticism was constructive and very helpful. I did learn a lot from her, but as most students do, I continued to draw my work the way I liked. Not to say I didn't completely ignore her, I certainly like to believe that I took on board what she suggested, but if I'm to truly develop, I should follow what I like to draw. And if I like to draw quickly and scruffily, then that's fine. If I draw something about something I really shouldn't talk about, then that's fine too. Mistakes are to be made, that's how you improve. Another bright idea of mine was to advertise my comic on Facebook. Make a fanpage for people to go to, comment on my work, and get a broader sense of what I should concentrate on should I need more improvement (who doesn't?). I sent invites to people who I thought would support me. [Name withheld] didn't like this. So, as any sensible friend who wants nothing but the utmost in quality to come out of the people she helps, she wrote a lovely little comedic review on Bad Webcomic Wiki, which I later discover that she's an admin of.

Known as "Lesbot" on the site, turns out she's quite the celebrity. She's written reviews on Ctrl-Alt-Del, VGCats, Least I Could Do, a lot of the big hitters. So, why on earth would she want to write about a little comic on Smackjeeves, that nobody even knows about? Because I decided to make a fan page and invite her boyfriend to join it. This was seen as a sign of arrogance on my part, so she got a friend to help her write the review. It was all agreed that I was to be added to the hall of fame that is The Bad Webcomic Wiki, because I'm terrible at drawing, my topics were dull and pointless, and I had no grasp of reality. Not only did they attack my comic, they attacked me personally, as well as some of the kindhearted people who sent in guest comics for me to upload... One of which, was [Name withheld] herself. So why she decided to attack her own work is beyond me, but alas here we are. It's not the first time I've been trolled on the internet, or had someone insult me online. That kind of thing just happens. What you don't expect is that stuff to be thrown at you from someone you know who lives down the street, someone you looked up to. That hurt. Big time.

Since then, whenever I visited my friends, or whenever my friends talked about me visiting or anything like that, she always had some kind of cruel thing to say about me. I've never had anything bad to say about her, not once during the time I knew her did I even contemplate the very thought. But she felt the need to belittle me constantly, behind my back or to my face. I didn't (still don't) understand exactly why she did it, and to this day, I still reel over it. I've not been able to draw stuff I like. I've not been able to follow projects through. When I'm asked to draw something for someone, I crack under pressure. Before the review, I probably could have gone through with this stuff, with some kind of false sense of confidence. Nowadays, I just know I'm terrible. And I know it's not healthy, because it's stopped me from being who I was.

The funniest thing about her these days though is that I've discovered that, through random stumbling through Tumblr, among her latest interests is My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, she is a Pegasister. And on top of that, she's still a very popular artist. No doubt, many bronies are fanboying over her works as we speak. Perfectly fine by me, she's a great artist and deserves the praise. What gets me the most is that this cruel, heartless woman, enjoys a show that teaches kids (and grown-ups, I know I've learned a thing or two) about friendship and how people can co-exist peacefully and friendly to each other. Never, in all the years I've tried to get over this stupid problem of mine, did I expect the sarcastic, foul-mouthed [Name withheld] to enjoy the antics of Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash. I often wonder if she's learned anything from the show, and contemplated what she's done in the past to countless anonymous faces on the internet over their comics. And, sometimes, egotistically, I wonder if she still thinks of me, and how she's potentially ruined comics, drawing, and any kind of art for me for the rest of my life. If I were to describe her in a way bronies would understand, she's the Diamond Tiara of the internet. Keeping up appearances, but a stone cold bitch on the inside.

I suppose the thing that pisses me of the most about this whole thing is not the cruelty of an idol to her fan, not the treacherous behavior of a friend, not even the hilarious hypocrisy of not just the guest comic, but the whole idea of her being a brony... The thing that gets me the most is my inability to move on from what is essentially a playground fight. It's childish. It's stupid. It's pathetic.

But I'm still mad. Congratulations to [Name withheld], the best troll on the internet.

Thanks girl, you're awesome.


I know some might say it's bad form to write reviews about people you know in real life, but I'm not against it. This isn't the first time I saw someone who met some incompetent artist and became so frustrated with trying to make them less like shit that they ended up either writing a review about them or asking us to do it. If anything, unlike other reviews, where we have to speculate about the author's personality, here we have a first hand account. Not that there is a need for it because Luke pretty much admitted to everything said about him in that review. He demonstrated that he's really a twat with this very response, he proved he can't draw and won't improve by the fact that the last page he ever posted looked exactly as bad as the first and then demonstrated that he gives needlessly personal information in these comics by that same page containing a drawing of himself fucking his girlfriend.

If this review made you quit making webcomics I am fucking glad.

Panty Brigade

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We had quite a bit of fun with the reaction to this review.


Boo hoo hoo...



Before the review was even finished the comic's creator caught a whiff of our intentions and posted this:

sup haters. we’re back! sorry for the lack in updates holidays kicked my ass. haha I think there's a page or two left in this arc then its break time till i come up with more shit to make reviewers hate us hahah xD


After the review was published he posted this:

(Typos highlighted by us although there were other mistakes that could not be highlighted like when he calls us "thebad comic wiki" for example)

Best review ever by the most intellectual cock suckers on the face of my ass! !!

haha so it seems some people over at the bad webcomic wiki just cant comprehend the awesomeness that is the goddamn panty brigade. you know what that means right dicks and slits?

WE WIN

HELL YES. obviously they dont understand my ARTISTE’s mind ;D Do i feel sad we got tossed into thebad comic wiki? hell no! Think abouut how many comics try so hard to get a reaction and fail. good, bad? w/e we got a reaction! I’m sure someone there will secretly fap to the huge titties. haha! This is sooo hilarious like you don’t even know.

BTW punk has NOTHING to do with being happy with yourself. and has EVERYTHING to do with not giving a shit about what others think/say. oh and also to offend as many things as you can haha. to paraphrase guttermouth at least.

To end this i give a one finger salute and SFW to you all ,

good night!



Usually we decorate these things with our snarky commentary, but this man's responses are so damn stupid I don't even see a point to it.

After declaring his own victory he tried to fight off dissenters by anonymously replying to people on his own chatroom/shoutbox and having an immature slapfight with them which only resulted in a massive spam/flame-war. Just to be clear: we did not participate nor did we encourage anyone to spam, flood or invade people on our behalf. This somehow just happened on its own. He followed up this victory by not posting anything for a month and a half.

But just as we thought he was dead and gone he returned to make one last reply to us which sadly was not properly archived by the wayback machine. We no longer have contact with the people involved to ask them, but from the replies it seems possible he might have even drawn a comic about us.

But all good things must end and he finally came to his senses and left us this final apology:

Don't feel sorry for him just yet; read on.


TGPG started on a whim originally made as part of some crazy one man anthology badly named Punk Akibakei Shuffle. It was pretty crazy, I mistook crazy for good. Hehe. And then set up this site, where I ran their first solo story “ASSets that don’t recess” the panty brigade got a lot of bad press via the bad webcomics wiki, I of course acted immature, it happens to the best of us. But as time went on I slowly gained my grounds and realized they were right.
So I’m going to officially say I am sorry to those that weren’t hating just to hate..



After that the comic remained inactive for a while before finally going offline.

Rot in peace, you trash heap.

Finally, he revived the comic yet again. And if you think he learned a single thing or that his apology was at all sincere, then you must be new to this site. The new comic was just as bad as the old one, and when the reincarnation of his abomination got another bad review he responded by pretty much telling the person who made it "lol thanks for the pageviews!" more or less.


Pictures of You

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So, while checking to see if anyone has ever mentioned us on twitter, I ran across a couple of tweets by the infamous Gibson Twist.


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He describes our review of his comic as "More than a little racist" because it commented how he draws all people of all races the same, save for a small change in hue. Which begs the question, what does that make him? Since he's the one who drew them like that.

Romantically Apocalyptic

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A few days ago I got an urgent Email from the shoutwiki administration that they have received a complaint that we are libeling and infringing upon someone's copyrights. At first I assumed it was Dave Cheung, having recently re-added his reviews to the site, but when I asked for clarification I was told that the reviews in question were those of "Romantically Apocalyptic", "Niels" and "So... You're a Cartoonist?". I thought this was then the work of Humon or Tom Preston, but the name of the complainer didn't ring any bells.

It was Vitaly S. Alexius' wife!!!

Usually this is a section for complaints by the actual author, but this time I figured: "Close enough".

The admin that contacted me informed me that he had asked for specific examples and, since I have yet to receive any new word on the matter, I assume they have yet to get them. He also pointed me to a usable version of the template Wikipedia uses to qualify its own copyrighted material as fair use that we could also use in this case so that we didn't have to delete anything.

Also, there was no libel in any of those reviews and if there was it would be easy to fix that without deleting the entire review, which is what I believe this complaint was a pathetic attempt to get us to do.

Maybe she should stick to posting naked pictures of herself online and leave the thinking to someone else.

UPDATE

I guess the email didn't work because a few days later someone left us this eloquent response in the form of an abuse report-


You all are a bunch of jealous fucking haters!!!!!!!!


At first I believed it was his wife again, but Alex claims it isn't her or anyone related to him. However, since he has a history making anything that reflects badly on him disappear (including trying to get this review removed) I seriously doubt he would admit to it if it was.

I leave you to draw your own conclusion.


UPDATE 2

Still not satisfied, they redirected one of the links on the review to another page containing their retort... I guess they didn't know how to redirect traffic or something. So now I suppose I have to write a response to the response.



It took 7 people to write this. Apparently.

Greetings

You most likely came here from a site called Bad webcomics,

since that's the only site that links to this VERY special page.

(Not anymore)


Bad Webcomics is a wiki that is not about honest criticism

but is rather about: trolling and writing asinine bullshit based on made-up evidence, to stir up flame-wars.

If the amusement is gained entirely on the basis of mocking someone else and tearing down their work, we don't think that kind of behavior merits any respect.

This entry was written by 7 creators from the RA team.

We stand together against false claims and libelous statements.


I find it hilarious that the RA team has 7 people. Does it really take that many people to run pictures through a photoshop filter?


Review of Claims:

MakarovJAC (from Bad Webcomics) makes the following statements about RA (highlighted in blue).

Lets review each one, while pointing to factual evidence.

Go on...

"the art for the comic comes mostly from Google image search"

...TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Most of the texture backgrounds for the comic are in FACT shot in abandoned places all around the world as evidenced in the "ART" section of this website.


Episodes: 0, 3b, 4b, 5d, 5f, 7b, 8b, 9b, 58, 65, 67, 69, 70, 71, 73, 75, 76, 77, 78, 82, 85, 86, 87, 89, 94, 95, 96, 99, 101, 102, 110, 111,

112, 113, 114, 116, 118, 141, 144, 145, 149, 152, 153, 154, 155, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 167, 174, 176, 179, 180, 182, 181, 183, 184, 186, 187 are painted from scratch. The rest are shot in our studio and on location and then edited in Photoshop.


Are you fucking kidding me? What exactly is your definition of "from scratch"? I started looking through these and gave up when I realized every one I looked at was still composed of edited photos of backgrounds as backgrounds and edited pictures of people as characters.

Also, good job on missing the point. It doesn't matter if you find pictures on google of take them yourself. What matters is that you're an artist that doesn't draw anything.


"Alexiuss is known for claiming that he is drawing it all from scratch. He of course either denies it or avoids giving a straight answer, but no one (including us) believes him."

TWICE THE BULLSHIT.

The production process describing the use of costumes was on the INFO page of this website for many years, and also described in THIS TUTORIAL.

Your response to the previous question literally disproves everything you're saying in this one! So we said you claim you draw shit from scratch and virtually lie about it, and your answer to the last question was saying that you draw shit from scratch which I have shown you are lying about!

Furthermore, there are some claims (including in the review) that you delete evidence. On our old forum I asked to confirm if you ever actually claimed to draw everything from scratch before we say that in the article and someone said he saw it but everything was deleted. Makarov later posted links to more proof, but those have been curiously deleted as well.

How suspicious.

UPDATE:

LOOK WHAT WE FUCKING FOUND!


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The picture this is linked to is still online, but the comments have been disabled. However, we can still read them by looking at Web Archive.

"call outs by Torture Device over Alexiuss' fake art"

... ARE BULLSHIT EVIDENCE

Torture Device is a known racist, white-supremacist troll on deviantart.

MakarovJAC FELL for using Torture Device's parody/ranting as evidence or has simply copied most of Torture Device's claims without bothering to actually do research.


"Parody", yeah, right. It makes me laugh you try to lie and pretend what he said about you was a parody and that we misunderstood when everyone knows it was 100% legit and you reported him for it.

"this comic is probably rip off of the Newgrounds series TankMen"

Nope.

1)Fallout did a combination of a "titanic joke" and "post-apocalyptic location" 10 years before TankMen.
2)This writing in comic is actually inspired by works of Russian writers Brothers Strugatsky from 1950's to 1980's.
Their books contain apocalypse, horror and comedy themes.

"obvious rip off of the webcomic "Gone With The Blastwave"

OBVIOUS... BULLSHIT.

1)First Blastwave concept art was posted on deviantart in July 1st 2005.
First RA concept art was posted on Deviantart in January 3, 2005.
That makes RA older by 6 months.

2)RA doesn't have color-coordinated armies waging war against each other, nor nameless protagonists and antagonists.
Google the comic "Goodbye, Soldier!" by Juan Gimenez from Heavy Metal.
It is a "post-apocalyptic-comedy comic" about a brief struggle of "gas-masked nameless heroes" and it was published in 1981.

It's also a coincidence that RA and Blastwave are similar to "Goodbye, Solder".


Okay, you got us there. Let no one say we are incapable of admitting when we are wrong. I should have checked the dates before saying you ripped them off and I will edit the review to reflect that.

So I'm sorry Alex for calling you an art thief when you're actually just really, really unoriginal.


"he (alexiuss) responded with the same statement as quoted above: that his comic is better than that one(blastwave) because his site has more visitors"

BULLSHIT QUOTE.

A fake quote made up to prove a false point to seed mistrust between fanbases of the two comics where there isn't any:
Alexiuss and Kimmo are actually planning to make a collaborative episode.

We'd like to issue a challenge for Bad Webcomics to provide PROOF of their so called "quotes" instead of pulling them out of their ass.


Well, as I have shown before, you go back and delete anything negative you say or is said about you, so I doubt I will find it. Makarov tried to look up the quote but he said that whenever he did find a lead it would always be mysteriously deleted. The review itself has a quote of you saying something almost the same but the link that leads to it is nother delted comment.

But even if I don't have proof I have an eye witness who saw you say it. Too bad you can't delete people's memories like you delete your journals, right Alex?


"unconfirmed rumor going around that Alexius brags about overcharging his stupid fans for merchandise"

UNCONFIRMED... BULLSHIT.

This merchandise rumor exists ONLY on Bad Webcomics, written to stir drama.


First of all, It's funny (and sad) that you think our reviews are part of some secret plot to thrust people's fan forums into turmoil. We could not care less what your legion of suck-ups think of this review but I am glad to know it had such a major effect on them.

Secondly, all proof is, again, gone. Shocking. But regardless, you charge nearly 50$ for a fucking t-shirt. Are you shitting me? That's all the proof I need.


"(Alexiuss' wife)...left us this eloquent response in the form of an abuse report sent to us-

You all are a bunch of jealous fucking haters!!!!!!!!"

WRONG PERSON QUOTED, DUMBASSES.

1)If Oddguy (the admin of BadWebcomics) actually bothered to check the IP of the "eloquent response" report note (that he himself posted as evidence), he'd know that this note was sent by an angry fan from Washington (who is not related to the RA team whatsoever).


Here's the thing- I actually did check the IP and figured it was her anyway because she was the one who tried to report us to our host (more deleting evidence? Good work) and that report came a day or two after her request was denied. If not her than it was someone else from your team of MENSA members. I know you say that it isn't, but it's too much of a coincidence and the more I delve into writing this the more I have reason to doubt your honesty.


2)This page is our "official response" and it was written to show how shitty Bad Webcomics is as a critique source.


Hahahaha! You've done a real fine job at that!


"Defining Flaw: abuse of the smudge tool"

Hang on... Why does MakarovJAC feel the need to point this out not once but three times?
We've used google to find that MakarovJAC is an artist himself.
Looks like he even used to post his drawings on conceptart.org in 2012.

This is the review his artwork received there:

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... and so everything suddenly makes sense. In 2012 MakarovJAC was shamed for using "smudge tool" so now he thinks that it's the perfect insult to use.

You got us. It was that day that young Makarov's life changed forever. He began drinking and slowly went down a spiral of depression and self destruction. To this day he sometimes wakes up covered in sweat in the middle of the night as the word "Smudged" echos in the distance...

Or maybe he just said it because your drawings are shitty and smudged.

MakarovJAC: Yes, I did a digital painting. But I don't act like a little bitch for not getting some asspats. Also, finish reading that thread. You will find something called "humility". Alexy could learn a thing or two from it.


Verdict:

MakarovJAC spent most of his life on on deviantart insulting, badly criticizing and trolling whichever teenager's artwork displeased him most, instead of trying to improve his own drawing skills.

Bad Webcomics simply provided him with a slightly bigger outlet for posting shitty, biased reviews full of false arguments and fake quotes.

Wow, he's an art critic that spends his time criticizing bad art? How dare he?! That's almost as bad as an artist who doesn't actually draw anything... Oh, wait.

Bad Webcomics finds ALL webcomics "bad".

No, we just found your comic bad.

If an artist does kickstarter to fund production, they will call the artist "greedy".

If you want money get a job. Instead of selling tshirts at 47.50$ a pop.

If an artist has a simple style of drawing- they will call it "bad art".

Yes, editing photos instead of drawing is a very simple drawing style.

If they can't find anything bad- they WILL inevitably make up lies based on shitty research/claims by trolls.

"Boo hoo trolls hurt my feelings".

Like Westboro Baptist Church they have no real reason behind their deeds other than craving attention.
The more comics they insult, troll and write lies about, the more views they get from angry fans.

Did you just seriously compare us to the WBC? I don't even have anything to say about that. This is just too funny.

Want proof?

Of what?

Bad Webcomics already got banned from their previous host "Wikidot" for:

"Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, harm minors or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable."

It's only a matter of time until their current wiki host removes them for similar issues if they keep posting defamatory reviews.

Actually, we were never told exactly what we were shut down for. What you quoted is just a segment from their ToS. In the end, it took five years for them to remove us and the reason was probably the never-ending flood of whiny e-mails from crybaby artists like yourself who were mad we were telling the truth about them. This time we reached an agreement with our host and were promised not to be deleted for similar reasons. But even if we are, were will be back again in no time and we will never let up on pathetic webcomic artists like you and your friends.



So in the end all this response has done is help me understand how seven people can come up with a comic that's half of a person worth of work. Because they share half a person's worth of brain.


BUT WAIT A MINUTE!


There is something wrong with this response... I remember seeing this page at least a month ago and there was something different... Has Alex deleted something he wanted to hide again? Maybe "Web Archive" has the answer!

Let's look at and respond to some of the deleted versions of this page.


Hide, delete, don't respond


Well, first he mentions in the reply to the first accusation:


RA artists spend an average of 10 hours to 100 hours painting each frame of the comic.


I wonder why he deleted this. Probably because it wasn't true.


"a few call outs by Torture Device over Alexiuss' fake art/mass reporting campaign"

Torture Device is a known racist, white-supremacist troll on deviantart.
Encyclopedia Dramatica has a 35 page forum thread dedicated to him.
He "calls out" artists and writes manifestos daily, in a misguided attempt to spread his message of racial hatred.

Torture device's "parody" was hate speech, wrapped up in a Neo-Nazi agenda with a pitch of trolling.


Firstly, he removed the mention of his mass reporting campaign. I guess he didn't want to draw attention to it. The rest was probably deleted when he realized how stupid his foam-in-mouth ranting about TD looks. And, by the way, that thread is dedicated to making fun of him.


"LAZY, Just like Humon's fat ass"

Artist "Humon" has a condition called Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome

Making fun of person's health condition?

That is plain wrong, like laughing at someone in a wheel chair for being unable to walk.


She's not a fucking paraplegic, Alex. Not only are people with POCS fully capable of losing weight, they are encouraged to do so because being fat due to POCS has all the same health risks as being fat for any other reason.

You're treating her like one of those Sims that if you remove the ladder from their pool they go: "Oh well, I guess i'll just die". How about instead of enabling her you do something productive and buy her a gym membership.


"NOBODY is supposed to have to read extra content just to fully understand the whole thing."

Plenty of webcomics have extra content you HAVE to read to understand the plot.
This isn't even a unique thing. Look up Homestuck.

Hell, even kids books have text with pictures in which not reading the text makes the pictures nonsensical.


The "extra content" in Homestuck is the text, you dense motherfucker. And if you want to put yourself on the same level as books for toddlers then... well, good work because that's exactly where I place you, too.



Anyway, I updated the parts of the review where I must admit there were factual mistakes and I can't wait for his next attempt to get rid of us.

In closing:


   
 
[the Bad Webcomics Wiki are] Like Westboro Baptist Church
 

 
 

—Alexander Gromov AKA "Vitaly S. Alexius"


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Ryugou

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Soon after we commented on his comic being shut down, Joshua took a break from jerking off to try and save some dignity by having the last word (forgetting that he can't because WE have a website).


Click if you are ready for extreme levels of passive aggressiveness.


Much to the dismay and disdain of ED people everywhere, don't celebrate. Ryugou is coming back next year.

We care.

Got tipped off to the fact that some people are happy my comic was cancelled,

Yes, "got tipped off". It's not like you were watching every mention of you online like a hawk or anything.

namely ED and BadWebcomicsWiki. They failed to read the part of the journal that mentions it's eventual return. Guess some people really only see what they want.

No, we saw it. We just realized that the only reason you mentioned rebooting that comic was in hopes that no one will be able gloat over their victory over you. And when you saw that they are doing it anyway, you made this second journal to try and make it look like you still won.

So let me say it again: the overwhelming negative criticism of your comic made you end it to make people stop making fun of your poor art skills. We won. Next time try improving.

If they were being honest, their disdain has literally nothing to do with ME, it's because I defended somebody else's right to an opinion and hurt their little baby feelings.

"EVERYONE JUST HATES ME BECAUSE I LIKE TOM PRESTON!!!"

Yes, your bad webcomic, which you ended because you admitted it was bad, has nothing to do with the article about you on a site called "The Bad Webcomic Wiki". But like you yourself just said: "guess some people really only see what they want".

BUT anyway yeah it's going to be redone bigger and better.

Doubt it.

Bring on the shitstorm,


Again: we care.

ladies and germs of the troll community,

"Anyone who calls my bad art for what it is must be a troll".

it's gonna have fanservice,

*GASP!* REALLY!?

action, bloodshed, and (le gasp) anthropomorphic style characters in it,

You can just say "furry". We all know you're a furry.

whether you like it or not.

Or don't care.


With that, he finished his journal and went back to drawing porno.

It is a truly sad thing that we kind of jumped the gun with this review, because soon after it was finished, more embarrassing things happened to or were discovered about this person. One of his gay porno drawings (which he still claims are not gay) was featured on the front page of the Rule34 website, his main character was discovered to be plagiarized and it was found out that he and his brother draw pictures of penises together (incest? I can't prove it, but no one can blame you for being suspicious).

But it's not all bad, Joshua. You should take pride in being one of the few artists to stop making their comic when they realize it's bad. If only you could also stop being so mad about it, you could maybe get started on the road towards improvement.

UPDATE:

Recently he posted a journal on his DeviantArt account responding to our response. Sadly you will not be able to read this hilarious denial by a documented lier because he deleted it 9 hours later! Instead, he posted a second journal that said this:

The journal I posted replying to BadWebcomicsWiki yesterday was, as my friends pointed out to me, not a wise or worthwhile endeavor, and I apologize for it.

Thanks to my good friends here for their timeless advice. Love ya'll.

'It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to your friends.' --Albus Dumbledore

Besides the hilarity of a man in his late twenties quoting a children's book and thinking it is deep and inspirational, what is more funny is the reason why he actually deleted that journal. I was able to catch a glimpse of the journal before it was gone, and, more importantly, the comment section. There I noticed one of his aforementioned fans begging him not to rile ED and BWW because it puts his fans in danger.

What a bunch of chicken-shits.

Sandra and Woo

The creators of Sandra and Woo demonstrated their maturity and ability to handle criticism by temporarily redirecting all traffic from Bad Webcomics Wiki to a favorable review on NotMadComic.com so none of the links in our review would work anymore.

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Yes, the reality that some people might not like your comic does suck, doesn't it? Best to pretend such dissent doesn't exist.


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LA, LA, LA, I won't hear of any criticism of my webcomic!


Update

To remedy this we uploaded all linked strips and embedded images to imgur. Recently, we noticed that the embedded images have been removed. Since we have never had this problem with imgur before it is safe to assume that its creator reported the images. Luckily, this was just before we moved sites anyway and now all images are uploaded directly to the wiki.

For a moment we considered first linking everything to the site again (since it is the old BWW that is being redirected) just to see how long it would have taken before we were blocked again, but decided that we were too lazy for that.

However butthurt the author might have been over our criticisms, he did not disregard them. When we last looked over the archives, he deleted some strips and modified others. I guess he realized that we were right.

Shark Teeth

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…I. Don’t know how to feel. About this. Actually. Um.

I guess I’m officially in the big league now that there’s a page dedicated to hating me.

…hollow victory

At first I put this in the "Irregular" section, but on second thought, it belongs here.

"A page dedicated to hating me"... Don't think so highly of yourself. We don't know who you even are.

Skull Boy

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After seeing the original version of the article for his comic, 'Skull Boy' creator William J. Gregory decided to take a hiatus on updating, and send BWW member Mediocrity this message;


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Subject: Hello

Date sent: 16 Sep 2009, 23:40 GMT Dear Scott Foss,

I waited a very long time before I decided to write a reply about your review, as I wanted to make a calm, well thought out response with an even and balanced perspective.

"I needed some time to gather my emotions. *sniff*"

This is not hate mail, I just want to set some things straight and get some stuff off my chest. I'm sure you can spare a few moments to read a simple note. I think you owe me that at least, what with an entire page dedicated to showing how worthless my work is.

First, I just wanted to let you know I am archiving the comic Skull-Boy to make more time for Fish Quarry. But, I'm telling you this so you know it's NOT because of your cold review and pitiless comments, I've been tired of Skull-Boy for a long time now. The review, if anything, was the final nail, or realization that it was time to get it over with.

Second, you realize my site only generates, like, 200-500 unique visitors a day, 900 on a really good day. That's not even enough to get real sponsors on my site. I'm not a big shot, hell, I'm not even a medium shot. So, it's very obvious your review was made for the soul purpose of hurting me and me alone. I think it's a shame you would waste your time trying to hurt someone who's a small time artist much like yourself. Not only that, gather other people to single me out and talk about what a hack I am behind my back.

"Why are you picking on my webcomic on your webcomic review site?! IT'S BECAUSE YOU HATE ME ISN'T IT?!"

Third, Skull-Boy was a pet project at best, I just did it for myself. It's completely self-indulgent and don't get me wrong, you're totally right, it's crap. The story's a mess, as is the art and the characters are flat. But why wouldn't it be? I started it when I was 15. Do you like what you made when you where 15? Oh wait, I guess you would, because you're 16, which brings me to my next point. What makes you think you know anything about me, my work or webcomics for that matter? Not to be mean, but you're barely getting started yourself. Who gave you the right to judge me?

"Yeah, I know it's shit! So what?! STOP JUDGING IT!"

I can't expect you to understand what it feels to be singled out the way you did to me, but if you're even the slightest bit of an empathetic human being, you will understand that all the hatred you built up was completely meaningless and only accomplished hurting the already frail confidence of an artist who started out much like yourself and is only a stone throw away from where you currently stand.

Note: Mediocrity's first comic used to have an article on this wiki. He didn't cry about it. Man the fuck up.

If you don't understand that, then I especially don't care what you say or think of me. If you feel glad that my comic is being archived and you feel like you've won, eager to smash the confidence of another fellow webcomic artist, then you're a very little man and I feel sorry for you, which I seriously hope isn't the case. All I really want is for you to have the dignity to leave me and my friends alone.

I don't hate you, let's try to keep it that way before this gets ugly.

~ William J. Gregory


Surprisingly eloquent for someone who created a VGCats fancomic full of dead baby jokes.

UPDATE:

A few months later, William rebooted his comic again. And by "rebooted", we mean "continued without improving a single thing. Only now on the SNAFU site". After joining the illustrious company of Bleedman and Donald Wayne Lozen, he saw this thread. He then sent us yet another whiny note.


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Hi, this is William, creator of Skull-Boy,

I took a break from ripping off everything evar in my sleep to read the replies to your topic, first off thanks for letting people know I've moved, I've been trying to get that fixed on the review of my old comics for months. I cannot reply to your topic, even though it's about me. That's pretty damn ironic when you think about it, "NO, we're talking about you, you can't talk about you, only we can!" so I need to ask you… what the hell is FTS? Full Text Search? If I'm being accused of ripping something off, again, I'd like to at least know what it is so I can go have a good cry about it.

Thanks in advance,

William


  • A. We don't remember what FTS stands for.
  • B. That is not what "ironic" means.
  • C. If you want to reply, feel free to make an account and post on the forum, and we will feel free to make fun of you and post about it in this section again.
  • D. Stop crying.


Can't wait for the next one.

So... You're a Cartoonist?

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Tom Preston briefly mentioned us in a journal.

"The few reviews that exist of my various web comics tend to be pretty negative. It's very apparent that the writers tend to be aware of my "history" and either cited stuff about me that has no bearing on the comics themselves, or tried to nitpick but ended up failing (i'm looking at you badwebcomics.wikidot.com for citing copy/paste but referenced an image which wasn't copy/pasted as your example)"


Thank you, Tom, for helping settle a long debate about that picture. A replacement has already been found and it took all of five seconds to find it. Also, I think you are confusing "nitpicking" with "pointing out glaring flaws".

Sore Thumbs

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Chris Crosby did not respond to our review of his comic Sore Thumbs. But a few months later, when we made a new thread to consider reviews for other works by the Crosby Brothers, he showed up to do what had to be the most failed attempt at defending one's self in the history of the internet.

Here are some of the things he had to say:


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I write CROW SCARE (with Brew McCloud), not Bobby. Bobby hates CROW SCARE. I also have been writing and drawing a comic strip daily for over a decade called SUPEROSITY (http://www.superosity.com). You probably won't like it either, but > that's my "true" writing style.

"When I write the way I want to write I make things people won't like." Good job standing up for yourself.

I enjoy working on SORE THUMBS and WICKEDPOWERED, but they were written primarily for the money, not because they're the kind of thing I love to write.

> They both are purposefully created to be as dumb and pandering as possible. Heck, WICKEDPOWERED was a paid advertisement for a handheld laser

> manufacturer. And CROW SCARE is intended to be a SCI FI Channel original movie illustrated on cheap newsprint.

"I don't care if I make crap. I just want money."

Yes, I haven't aimed very high thus far.

"I have no standards."

Bobby's goal with everything but PUPKIN and +EV has been to write fantastic blockbuster movies in graphic novel form. Maybe I should try that…

He has failed miserably each time, and so will you.


After admitting that his comic is bad and that he's doing it all for money, and laying out his brothers insane aspirations, he topped everything off by smugly offering us to make a comic, which he will graciously allow to be hosted on his site, and left.

You can read the rest here.

We are still waiting for Bobby Crosby to show up.


Sunnyville Stories

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I found this tweet by Max West about the review:


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Which is funny because...


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When you look up his comic, our review of it comes up before the actual site.
If there is any truth in what he says it probably has more to do with the fact no one cares about his comic.

Teacher's Pet

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This was pretty much the girls' response

Soon after its inception "Teacher's Pet" was being hailed as one of the worst webcomics ever created. It lasted for a few miserable years before being deleted (probably as a result of all the negative criticism it was getting).

We discovered this comic soon after it began gaining attention and a thread was made to discuss the possibility of writing a review. Even before a decision could be made, the two girls who were making the comic saw fit to write a long blog post about our unsolicited advice.


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Everyone's a Critic...


Everyone is especially a critic when you ask for it... But sometimes unwarranted critiques find their way to you.

We didn't even write a review yet! No one showed you that thread! You went looking for it! How exactly is that finding our way to you?!

My friend Sarah and I co-write and in some ways co-draw the comic Teacher's Pet, which follows the lives of two college-aged superheroes who are best friends, but whose superhero alter egoes are mortal enemies.

"Egos", not "egoes".

This is an idea we got during the planning for a party -- and we have managed to turn it into a webcomic of which we have written about 14 chapters, though only 1-4 are available online right now. Anywayyy...

A website called "bad webcomics wiki" has seemed to find us (HOW?!), and has decided we have made their list. They haven't officially reviewed us yet, but if their forum post is any indication it won't be pretty. They doubt our age (and apparently our sanity) and say that pretty much everything about the comic sucks. Here's why that bothers me...

One, because well... I'm a fragile artist. Wah wah and all that.

Yes, exactly.

But really, I try to work really hard on my writing,

It doesn't look that way.

and I have never done a comic before.

That, on the other hand, is pretty obvious.

I'm figuring it out as I go, but I never look at a script and go, "meh, that's good enough." So the work they tore apart was my BEST work as far as comics go,

Wow... this?! This crap is the best you can do? Are you five years old or something?

and I'd like to think that I'm improving as I go. I can say the same for the primary artist, who has also never done a comic before. We both try very hard,

Again...

Improvement? - not seeing it.
Trying vary hard? - Nope.
Never done comics before? - That one I can see.

and we never ASKED to be torn to pieces.

No one ever does. Few murderers turn themselves in. If people were able to recognize how bad they are, ask for help improving and implement that help, there would be no need for this site and no need for us to be having this discussion.

Two, I'm a writer, musician and hopeful English teacher. Sarah's a musician and therapist and athlete. None of those read "visual artist." This isn't our medium, but we're doing our best.

Your best is not good enough. Even for someone who is not a visual artist, your work is not good enough. Your work would not pass muster if you competed in a comic making competition organized by drunken hobos.

Three, if you look at chapter one and then look at chapter four, we have both come a long way in a short time.

Stop lying.

Saying "you suck" is like saying that all the improvement we have clearly made counts for nothing.

We have vary different definitions for the word "clearly". So yes, your snails pace worth of improvement counts for nothing. Less than nothing even.

We are genuinely trying, and they don't care. They just want to take a dump on our efforts and make us feel bad.

No you are not, no we do not and not at all. We want you to improve. If you can't handle that, then quit... Oh, I guess you did.
Good work!

Five,

How did you jump from three to five?

what "sucks" is so subjective. Are people really yellow with huge overbites and four fingers? No, but The Simpsons, anatomically incorrect though they may be, will always be my favorite show. It's not fair to say something is "bad," when what "bad" is has no remotely clear definition.

Yes... Compared to Hitler, Osama bin Laden was not so bad! In fact, he was a pretty cool guy!
You're right, It's all subjective.

Okay - I know I've been hard on things, in the same way that badwebcomicswiki hates on us. Like Twilight. But that's because Twilight isn't well-written OR a good influence on its readers. Not only do you have to interpret Twilight as you read it, you have this horrible, dysfunctional, even abusive relationship staring at you from the pages -- and these terrible ideals are glorified! I maintain that if Twilight were a Lifetime movie, Bella's friends and family would have had an intervention and removed Edward from her life. The creepy guy who "loves her a little too much" is not supposed to win. No. That's not okay. That kind of relationship should not be what young readers want to pursue, and yet thousands of teenage girls are out there looking for their Edwards.

OH MY GOD! What does this have to do with ANYTHING?! Who the hell asked you? Why are you using this reply to us to give us your review of fucking Twilight!? Who cares?!

So it's justified in saying Twilight sucks, I think. Our story, however, is about friendship, tragedy, moving on, and good vs. evil -- while often questioning where evil comes from and what actually makes something or someone "Evil." We.... might not have gotten to all that just yet. I'm wondering if my pacing is off -- but that's the downside of publishing as you go.

Wow... so you start with saying all opinions are subjective, go off on a tangent to prove that "Twilight", hated as it may be, is considered good by some people. Then you arrive at the conclusion that it objectively sucks, but your own comic is fucking awesome. What a bunch of stupid, hypocritical bullshit. Are you even reading what you are typing?

In conclusion, unwarranted critiques by self-proclaimed experts are not nice. Cut that out.

In conclusion, it is only unwarranted if we try to force it down your throat, and if you can't handle it, either grow some thicker skin of stop sucking so much.


Listen girls, I know that you have long since deleted that little trash heap that you called a comic, but if you ever stumble upon this page, I want you to know that if you indeed tried your best, then we appreciate that. But your best was not nearly good enough. Not by any standard. You can't possibly not see that.

I would like to say something nice and reassuring to you because you seem like nice girls, but I honestly can't. Your comic was bad beyond measure. It wasn't even at the point where its quality was somewhat debatable. If it had, I might have been able to understand your righteous indignation over being criticized. But, for someone who made something so utterly horrible, you really have a lot of nerve complaining when someone calls you out on it. Especially when a review was not even written and you went looking for responses to your comic on your own accord.

People who make something bad might have some right to contest the criticism they receive, but people who make something irredeemable need to take criticism in stride and learn to shut the fuck up.

Twisted Kaiju Theater

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Sean "Shin-Goji" McGuinness (or someone claiming to be him) added a section to his review titled "Legacy" with his reaction in it where he talks about himself in the third person like he's retarded and then takes the "Romantically Apocalyptic" line of response and says we are only making fun of his shit comic because we are racists who hate feminism.

It is as a hilarious cop-out as it is a pathetic one. Enjoy the read.


He's gonna squish us like a bunch of Japanese businessmen!



Sean McGuinness, knnown as award winning South Carolina artist "That Godzilla Guy"


You sure as hell didn't win that award for typing.


agrees with the majority of this review.


"Majority" in this case meaning "Almost none of".


The original person who scripted the majority of that rant did so almost seven years ago. Then McGuinness made edits to it in such a way that slammed him for being a hater and the whole thing was taken down.


Ah, the classic "This was written by one of my many haters" defense. Whatever helps you sleep at night Sean (next to your preteen girlfriend).


Someone brought up the revised script just after McGuinness did an art project promoting Cosplay Does Not Equal Consent, so it was obviously done because they were angry for him doing so.


Actually, I just randomly found it while looking at our old site on "Web Archive" and decided to finish it and post it. But please, do go on about how a grown man playing with dolls in a dinosaur costume is going to smash the "Patriarchy".


Now, that being said, there are VALID criticisms in this article. The majority of the comic is Mary Stu. McGuinness has said that his writing is terrible, ripping off storylines and jokes from other things he likes, such as anime, manga, comics and cartoons. But he has never claimed to have an original thought.


If you admit your comic is shit then why not stop making it?


McGuinness has said, "His big criticism of how I go Super Saiyan to save Murugu is legitimately bad writing. It's Women in Refrigerator all the way. But that's what he chooses to focus on.


In other words: "It doesn't matter if my comic has bad writing. Only if it has bad feminism". I guess this explains why it was so bad.

I totally get the hate for the K-Girls because there are a lot of people who hate furries like they hate homosexuals.


Do I really need to bring out the "God Hates Webcomics" picture again?


If that's what he wants to rail against, more power to him. He has no power over me and can't stop me from doing whatever I want. So he spent the better part of an afternoon screaming in to the darkness.


"Doing what I want" in this case meaning: "Wearing Godzilla pajamas at three in the afternoon and seducing little girls on the internet".

You're right Sean, only the police can stop you from doing that.


In the end, Twisted Kaiju Theater ran for 13 years, which is longer than 90 percent of the webcomics out there.


Yes, most of them get a life or realize they're not good at it and stop. Thankfully, you didn't have that problem.


McGuinness did it with almost no financial support,


"ALMOST"?! Someone actually gave you financial support to keep doing this shit?!


and in the face of GLARING indifference from the majority of the public.


Oh please, you were #1 on "Top Webcomics List" for like 2 years (although that's nothing to be proud of). Stop the pity party and put on your big-boy cartoon pajamas... Oh wait, those don't exists.


He also inspired people to become artists,


How? By showing them how bad he is and making them not want to be like him?


and to start loving Godzilla.


"Loving"... That's nice way to put what they were doing with the Godzilla porn that you posted.


That's more than anything that reviewer ever did with their life.


You spent 13 years of your pathetic life taking pictures of your doll collections and posting them on the internet. People who brush their teeth in the morning have done more than you.



Warmage (also Monster Lover)

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When the author of this abomination noticed the traffic coming to his site from us, he contacted the review's writer to leave him a "thank you note"...

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Hey I just wanted to say thank you for the Blistering article you wrote on my webcomic WarMage! Well Done!

Also thanks for the Links to the Old webcomic, but I eventually started it over again on Drunkduck.
http://www.drunkduck.com/WarMageRebirth/
anyway, Thanks for the Hits to my website And I'll post links to your article!

Have a great Day!


Not content with this, he felt the need to leave a second reply of this sort on his Facebook page which read:

I got a Scathing Review on the Old WarMage which basically Hashed out the reasons why I started the Project over. It gave me alot of Hits on My sites and I did send a thank you email to the author.




Still not satisfied, he opted to make sure he wasn't left with any dignity which might have been left over if someone mistook his replies for a genuine "thank you" note. So he created for us our first ever video response. Unfortunately, it was removed before any one of us could save it/watch it/make fun of it. All we know now is that it was titled "nosuchthingasbadpress".

So to you, my dear "Dumok", I say:
Enjoy your pageviews. Enjoy the flood of people that have rushed to your website just to see how awful you and your comics are. Enjoy your momentary "popularity" comprised of people who laugh at you. And remember: Every hit is worth one internet dollar! And if you get enough of them, you can buy the fuck we don't give.

Yu+Me Dream

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Megan Rose Gedris reacts to finding her article

Some time ago we had a review up on this site about a comic called "YU+ME: Dream". After it was made we got a complaints from a couple of its fans that the review was poorly written and probably done by a disgruntled fan who was unhappy with the direction the plot was taking. After further inspection we realized they were probably right. The article was indeed pretty bad, focused on a single flaw and the the comic itself may have not deserved a review in the first place (although I am beginning to doubt that after having to look at it in search of a picture to put up here). And so, the page was subsequently deleted.

But not before the author could comment about it with a childish response.

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Greetings to anyone coming here from the Bad Webcomics Wiki, the site that says it’s awful to write about yourself in your personal journal!

It's not really personal if you post it up on the internet.

Just for you, I’ve decided to go back to the oh-so-original “secret lesbian schoolgirls” plot. That was so much more original, right? It hasn’t been done dozens of times already. Screw this Dream World stuff, I should totally write what you want me to write!

You know what else is original? Dipping your genitals in molten lava. Don't confuse "Original" with "Good".


So whoever is making this comic should probably thank her fans. They are obviously smarter than her.


Grave of the Unknown Whiner

Over the course of running this wiki I have repeatedly come across various complaints about our wiki across the web, as well as private messages sent to our members or left on our forum, saying that our reviews somehow ruined someone's life or made them delete their comic and quit art forever.

I do not know who these people are, which comic is theirs, how many of them are there or if indeed these are all complaints made by the same person who find it necessary to bitch about us on every single webcomic related forum he can find. Nonetheless, I have added this mention to this page to honor their futile efforts and trashed comics.


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